How Sound Can Create Healing with Jonathan Goldman, M.A.
November 25, 2023
About Jonathan Goldman, M.A.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. is an international authority and founding pioneer in the field of sound healing. He is the author of numerous books including THE 7 SECRETS OF SOUND HEALING, and the best-selling THE HUMMNG EFFECT (co-authored with his wife Andi Goldman) which won the 2018 Gold Visionary Award for “Health Books”. His classic HEALING SOUNDS has just had a special 30th Anniversary Edition released. Jonathan is director of the Sound Healers Association, president of Spirit Music, Inc. in Boulder, Colorado and founder of World Sound Healing Day. A Grammy nominee, he has created over 25 best-selling, award winning recordings including: “CHAKRA CHANTS”, “THE DIVINE NAME” (with Gregg Braden), “FREQUENCIES: SOUNDS OF HEALING” and “REIKI CHANTS”. Jonathan has been named as one of Watkins’ Mind Body Spirit magazine’s “100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People”. He has been inducted into the Massage Therapy Hall of Fame. In 2023, Jonathan received the Distinguished Person of the Year Award from the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology for his “Pioneering contribution to the field of Sound and Energy”.
Links & Resources
Website for Jonathan Goldman, M.A.: www.HealingSounds.com
Book discussed in this episode - The Humming Effect: Sound Healing for Health and Happiness
Social Media - Follow Jonathan on Instagram, Facebook, & YouTube.
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Dr. Lotte [00:01:20] Welcome back to Dr. Lotte Science with Soul. Today, I'm very excited to introduce Jonathan Goldman, M.A., who is an international authority and founding pioneer in the field of sound healing. He is the author of numerous books, including The Seven Secrets of Sound Healing and the best-selling The Humming Effect, co-authored with his wife Andi Goldman, which won the 2018 Gold Visionary Award for health books. His classic Healing Sounds has just had a special 30th anniversary edition released. Jonathan is a director of the Sound Healers Association, president of Spirit Music, Inc. in Boulder, Colorado, and founder of World Sound Healing Day. A Grammy nominee, he has created over 25 best-selling award winning recordings, including "Chakra Chants", "The Divine Name" with Gregg Braden, "Frequencies: Sounds of Healing", and "Reiki Chants". Jonathan has been named as one of Watkins' Mind Body Spirit magazine's "100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People". He has been inducted into the Massage Therapy Hall of Fame. In 2023, Jonathan received the Distinguished Person of the Year award from the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology for his "Pioneering contribution to the field of Sound and Energy".
Dr. Lotte [00:02:56] So excited to have you as a guest on my podcast today because I discovered you over 20 years ago! So a warm welcome to you, Jonathan.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:03:07] Dr. Lotte, what a blessing it is to be talking to you and your audience. It's a gift. Thank you. It's my purpose for being on the planet.
Dr. Lotte [00:03:18] Right? I have so many questions. So this we, this podcast could literally last for hours, but we're going to we're going to try and squeeze in as much as we can within the next 45 minutes or so. But I was just tickled when you accepted the invitation to be on my podcast because I started using Tuning Forks over 20 years ago and I got this set, it was a beginner set and it says the tone G 384 and C 256 and I literally used the tune my kids! And I said, "Okay, you guys are being too wild. You have to come over here." And I would, you know hit them on my knee and then hold them up to either side of their ear and it just calls them down. And I said, "Wow, if parents just knew that this is what it does." And we it continued for years because they really enjoyed it. So can you tell us, you know, how can sound be used to heal and what are the basic, basic principles? Of this sound healing?
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:04:16] Yes and thank you and wonderful. And I will just share that this weekend, my wife Andie and I were teaching at a, as the keynote for a bio energetic medical conference to these doctors and we actually work with those tuning forks, teaching them. We also taught them about the power of the hum, all sorts of things that we're going to talk about briefly in this our time together, how can sound be used to heal. Okay. Basic premise of how what is the basic principle of using sound as a healing modality. So the idea that everything in the universe is in a state of vibration are physicists, and our ancient mystics are in agreement about that. In the beginning was the word in quantum physics talks about everything being in a state of vibration. Sound travels is a wave form, we hear from about 16 of these waves per second that's called hertz, 16 hertz to around 16,000. But our friends in the ocean and the Dolphins can hear upwards of 180,000 cycles a second. So just because we can't hear the sound, doesn't mean that there isn't a sound. And in fact, everything is in a state of vibration from the electrons moving around the nucleus from atoms of planets and distant galaxies moving around the suns. They're all in a state of vibration and conceptually this vibration can be perceived of as being sound. And this includes our body, every organ, every bone, every tissue, every part of our bodies in a state of vibration. When we're in health, we say we're in sound health, and every organ, every bone, every tissue is in a natural, healthy state of harmonic resonance. We're like this overall orchestra that is playing the symphony of the self. But what happens if the second violin player loses their sheet music? They begin to play off, pretty soon the entire string section sounds off and acutally pretty soon the entire orchestra is off. And this is, if you like, a metaphor for a part of our body vibrating out of its natural healthy harmonic resonance, and it begins to vibrate out ease, out of harmony, and we say it is dis-ease. This is so the basic, if you like, idea of using sound as a healing modality simply to give this string player back, their sheet music to somehow project the correct resonant frequency back into the body, mind, spirit of your field, whatever you are you're talking about, because everything is interconnected. And I'm just also going to suggest that this is not only the premise of sound healing, but most of the alternative therapies, whether it's homoeopathy, chiropractic, acupuncture, chroma therapy, I can go on and on and as a naturopath, there's a similarity in that too, isn't there?
Dr. Lotte [00:07:12] Oh, yeah, absolutely. I love your analogy of the orchestra and it's just I'm listening to your book, The Humming, about the humming right now.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:07:22] Yes.
Dr. Lotte [00:07:23] And it started out by describing if, you know, if one instrument is out of tune that I think you said they lost a sheet music, the violinist lost the sheet music. I used to have that exact analogy on my website "imagine the body is like an orchestra". And if one, if the violins are out of tune and I didn't do the lost a sheet music, I said, "If the violins are out of tune, then that's going to affect the whole orchestra and everything else is going to get out of tune". I, I just started laughing when I heard that was your exact analogy! I said, "Wow, this man, we're thinking like."
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:07:58] We give thanks in that one. Now, with that in mind, I'd like to suggest that sound is an incredible energy form. It is a subtle energy, and on a level, it's the most powerful, subtle energy because it's the least subtle, it has slow moving vibrational waveforms that literally affect the physical plane really solidly. In fact, there are two ways that we get affected by sound, what is called psycho acoustics. And with these tuning forks, if I were to hit these tuning forks and bring them to my ear, that would be psycho acoustics with the sound goes into our ear into our brain affecting a nervous system or our heart rate or respiration or brainwaves. The other is called vibro acoustics, and we actually have tuning forks that have little discs on the end, but when you hit them and you put them on the body, they go into the body on a very, very powerful level, affecting us down to our cells and our DNA. Here's a quote from The New York Times February 8th, 1988. It was easy to remember a lot of eights in that one. "Sound shaped in a dazzling tool can make or break or rearrange molecular structure." So we're talking about an energetic form that can rearrange molecular structures. When people say what sort of conditions can sound, take care of, I say, well, conceptually, as I'm saying, you know, but conceptually, if you can rearrange molecular structure, what can't you deal with?
Dr. Lotte [00:09:40] Yeah, what, exactly? I mean, I think there is a limitless potential of what what's going to come from that. Because we already know that, like you said, these big um, I have some of those big ones here, the big uh -
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:09:55] That one -
Dr. Lotte [00:09:56] Has little balls on the end, right?
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:09:57] That's an example! And since you've got that immediately available, mine are out of reach. If you hit that and then places stem on your that's a that's an example of vibro acoustics and you can feel that go into your body!
Dr. Lotte [00:10:11] Yup. Yeah you feel the vibration! Right? And you can you can make things work. I know my daughter uses it if she gets these, it's not really a vertigo thing, but she gets dizzy and then on the opposite side, she'll use this tuning fork and run it along the shin and the dizziness goes away. I mean, it's like magic. Oh, it's magical.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:10:34] I never travel -
Dr. Lotte [00:10:35] But can we not heal with these tuning forks and vibrational frequencies, I think it's the future of medicine, really.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:10:44] I think so too and I think everything works together, I I'm such a an advocate of just not sticking with one therapy, but still using whatever works at a particular time. We have, if you like, a phenomenon I'll share with you very briefly, but we call it the Four Pillars of Sound Healing. And I'm just going to share those for you and your audience. The first one is everything is vibration. We just talked about that with sound and everything. The second one is that intent is powerful. And that really came from a discovery that I made back in the 1980s when I was literally doing a master's dissertation for Lesley University on Sound Healing, and I had a pile of papers of different, if you like, frequencies and different tones and mantras that were being used by different scientists, healers, spiritual masters, and coming from a family of doctors, I thought, "Oh, okay, I am I am going to be the first person, at least in modern times, is going to put this all together!" And instead they just didn't align, they were not, if you like, in correlation. And I was Dr. Lotte so upset because coming from a family of doctors and having a pretty well-developed left brain, I thought, "Oh, how can this be?" And then and I was if you like, instead of intellectual angst and then this inner voice said "It is not only the frequency of the sound that creates its effect, it is also the intention of the person making and receiving the sound." When I wrote down frequency plus intent equals healing, and that came in the mid 1980s when I first manifested that, and I have to admit that I am seeing it all over the place now as formula and I love it. Because back then I was I was dealing with the scientific and medical communities and I'd say to these doctors, "Hey, have you ever thought of the importance of intentionality?" And they'd look at me like I was a man from outer space, which I well, may be, but they weren't supposed to know!
Dr. Lotte [00:13:00] Laughing. Right! Yeah.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:13:03] Blessings with people such as we are, Dr. Bruce Lipton, Joe Dispenzza, with the work of Masaru Emoto who did these splendid photographs of water crystals that were exposed to different, if you like, intentionality and whatnot showing them. So this is so very, very important. So nowadays I can talk to people. I mean, Andy and I spoke to this roomful of energy medicine doctors and we just, they took for granted that was an intent was really a major focal point in the whole relationship of the effect of sound in other vibratory fields. 40 years ago, laughing, it was really strange! Okay, the next one. So the second pillar is intent is powerful. The third one, we are all unique vibratory beings. And I'm going to say that whenever we do a workshop and I love it, I'll say, "Okay, how many of you are allergic to penicillin?" Because conceptually, if everything is vibration, then penicillin is a series of vibrations, and usually anywhere from 5 to 20% of the audience will raise their hand. I said "Okay", for and this is a great metaphor for everything, "For 80% or even 90% of you is a penicillin is going to be a healing frequency or a set of frequencies. But for 5 to 20%, it's going to be toxic." And that's so important for us to own and honor, because this way we can literally, honor the fact that if something is not resonating well with us, we can own it and say, "Hey, I don't like that." Because too many times people say "This is the healing frequency for you. This is the healing supplement for you, this is the healing X, Y, or Z." And it's not going to work for everyone, and just as as an aside, just last week I was I came across this information, there's something called musical anhedonia. I didn't know this existed. Anhedonia is a condition where you don't like or don't experience pleasure for something, but it's when people do not like or experience pleasure or any sort of comfort from music. 5 to 10% of our population suffers from this. 5% it's an neurological disorder due to some sort of brain trauma. But 5%, they don't know why, but people just don't get music. I was floored. I thought everybody got music now.
Dr. Lotte [00:15:53] Is it specific sounds? Is it the lower frequency sounds or?
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:15:57] Anything. It could be Bach, Beethoven or whatnot. They just, or the Beatles or whatever, they don't get music. I mean, they can hear it, but it's sort of like people who perhaps, I'm going to use this as a metaphor, because I don't know if it's correct, but who can't smell. I mean, or if they smell, they just don't you know, it's they're dead to it. Okay. So three is we're all unique vibratory beings and four is silence is golden. And that is just the power of sound. Silence is the yin to the yang of sound. Dr. Lotte, I'll tell you that I've been in this field for 40 years and sound is just emerging in everybody's vocabulary. Everyone's talking about frequencies, everybody's talking about X, Y, or Z with sound, which is great, but sound is only part of the phenomena. Silence is truly the place where the true shift in change occurs. So if you are listening to sound or making sound, you need to be in silence in order for the shift and change to occur. Does that make sense?
Dr. Lotte [00:17:05] That is interesting. So you're listening to the music, the frequency, but and then you set the intention, but then you also need the silence for the shift to happen? It doesn't happen with when you hear the frequency?
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:17:19] No, I believe it is. I believe silence is the yin to the yang of sound. They're all one thing. It is like a wave, and then stop, and then there's the wave.
Dr. Lotte [00:17:30] Yeah.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:17:31] And too many people don't know that. So they go from one sound to another sound, which doesn't give the sound the time to encode itself into the body, mind and spirit. It's very important. It took me 20 years to learn that, and once I learned it, I was going, "Wow, this is really important". Because people become so enamored with listening to the sounds that they don't, then get to that space of just being in the silence. Remember, that the word silent and the word listen, are anagrams.
Dr. Lotte [00:18:06] Hmm.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:18:07] The word silent and listen at the same. Letters in them. Which is interesting and I think totally metaphoric.
Dr. Lotte [00:18:17] Yeah, right. I mean, everything, it makes sense because it's all everything mirrors everything else and everything has an opposite in order to function, right? Everything in our world has an opposite. The yin and the yang of everything. So why not? Of course, it has to be there for sound as well. In order for it to work, you have to have, you have the sound you have the silence. Because without the silence you can't have the sound and vice versa. Right? And so but they work together because.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:18:45] Yeah.
Dr. Lotte [00:18:45] Everything is everything is the function of everything else, right? So everything mirrors everything else. Um, so absolutely fascinating. So, do you feel that? I know I'm listening to your humming book right now.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:18:58] Yes.
Dr. Lotte [00:18:58] You're you know, I'm sitting there doing the exercises, humming, "Oh, now I feel it in my chest and I feel it further down. Now I feel it in my head." So it what, tell me about that, what what really happens when we're humming?
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:19:14] Okay. First of all, I would tell you why we we do this and then because basically I have been in this field for 40 years. I am well versed in all sorts of sounds from everything from Tibetan deep voice to harmonics, harmonic overtone singing to mantras to X-Y-Z. I work with tuning forks, I work with Tibetan bowls, I work with crystal balls, I work with all sorts of scientific instruments, etc.. But I want I wanted to provide a tool that people could utilize themselves all the time. And unfortunately or fortunately, the voice is perhaps the most powerful tool we have, it doesn't require electricity or batteries the owner's manual is relatively easy to use and everyone's got one. It's pretty inexpensive. No problem. Except that so many people, have such judgment about their voice, you know, whether it's due to, you know, shows like American Idol or whatnot, that I put words like pitchy, everyone is judgmental about their voice. "Oh, I don't have a good voice, etc.." So my wife, Andy and I were going, "Okay, wow, what's a sound that everybody can deal with that nobody's judgmental about?" And we looked at each other. We went, "Hmmmm." Laughter. And, you know, and so we began and I said "Okay, let's write a book on humming!" So we began to do this and as we went deeper and deeper into the power of humming, in fact, here is the book, The Humming Effect held up for you, it is an award winning bestselling book, and I love it! Because that simply means that people have really accepted it. Once again, babies hum, the elderly hum. We hum unconsciously when we're happy, it's the sound everybody makes. And as we begin to investigate deeper and deeper, we find profound, powerful, therapeutic effects and spiritual effects from the simple but profound hum. We said, "Okay, great, this is great. This is going to be the first book on humming. How are people possibly going to take the topic of hunting seriously?" So we had a big the first chapter, nothing more or less than peer reviewed information about the power the hum. And I love it! So I'll just share a few of the things with number one, and I think this is the most important thing. If you, we do something called conscious humming, and I'm going to share this with you, I'm going very quickly and in order for people to further their of, you know, if you like interest, you get the humming effect. Listen to the audible of it or whatnot, because it's so powerful and so important. But the aspect of the peer reviewed fact, I guess the most important thing for me is that simply if you do just even a few hums you get an instant, within seconds, maybe a minute, a reduction of heart rate and respiration. Your blood pressure goes down. If I started doing this myself for myself just to check it out after I'd written about it, but I finally said, "Okay, I'm going to do this for a while." And within about a minute to 2 minutes, my blood pressure would go down 20 points! Now, that's that's pharmaceutical in nature. And I think that's so important for people. I suffer from what's called white coat syndrome. You may be familiar, but I get in front of a doctor "Oh, Ah!" Laughter.
Dr. Lotte [00:23:17] Laughter. I do too! I get it. It's kind of funny when you're a doctor yourself.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:23:21] So doing some conscious hunting for even three, four, five times, will lower your heart rate. But the important thing that you got to do and this I'm always learning I would do this and nothing would happen. Then I did it and I was in silence for an equal amount of time. And it was in the silence, after the silence, all of a sudden my blood pressure went really, really much lower. So once again, silence is such an important part of making the sound. So you get the, you know, reduction of blood pressure, very, very important. You get the reduction of stress related hormones such as cortisol. You get the release of melatonin, which is a wonderful and natural tool for helping enhance sleep and other phenomena. You get the release of oxytocin, which is the trust hormone. One of my favorite is the release of nitric oxide, and now nitric oxide has really hit a big time in terms of people saying, "Oh, nitric oxide!" Yeah, it does, I have been a fan of nitric oxide for quite a while. You know, it is the one the molecule of the year in Science magazine back in the 1990s, and now, I mean it's understood as being a vasodilator, which means it loosens and widens the circulatory system, allowing oxygen, all sorts of things nutrients to go through your, you know, through your circulatory system. But another important thing, is that it is anti-viral agent. So when you hum and when you do conscious humming, you do you get 15 times the amount of nitric oxide that is normally generated in our breathing in breath, it's generated in the nasal cavity and can be used to take care of all sorts of nasty critters. I used to get and I still do get emails from people who'd say, you know, "I suffer from sinusitis and I was on all sorts of different pharmaceuticals. They didn't work, I started doing this and in a very short time." And then I found, Yay! Some peer reviewed stuff from the Karolinska Institute, which is from Sweden, and they had done that and they indeed found the same thing, so that's very very cool. Also, you get reduced, actually you get heart rate variability, I think you know about that, which is basically also a wonderful tool for stress reduction. Also, you get enhanced vagal toning, the vagus nerve is, in fact there are two ways that you can consciously affect positively your vagus nerve. One is through nice, deep diaphragmatic breathing. And the other is through Humming.
Dr. Lotte [00:26:30] Yeah, I can see that! Because it comes back, it's like the whole body again, one thing affects the other and if you can get that vibration going. It's funny that you said that the research came out of the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:26:45] Yeah.
Dr. Lotte [00:26:45] That's where my, my dad was a physician at Karolinska Hospital, and my brother, who is a surgeon, has also been a physician at the hospital.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:26:52] No Kidding!
Dr. Lotte [00:26:53] So I'm very familiar with that hospital. I've been there many, many times as a child.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:26:59] Never been there but I read the research and I went through it, it's quite cool because I, you know, once again, it's so important for a lot of people to feel that there's validity in these things, otherwise they may disregard it. And therefore, if it's, you know, peer reviewed, all of a sudden it's real and that's cool. So talking about humming and I am so grateful that you're there in terms of experiencing the the humming effect, you're doing the audible of it?
Dr. Lotte [00:27:30] Yeah, yeah I'm listening to the audiobook.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:27:32] Yeah, that's it and that was actually, if you like, vocalized by a friend of ours who's got a wonderful voice by the name of Jay Cruz. I am not a good reader. Laughter. And I said, I don't it would take me years to get this right. He's one, he's kinda of a radio announcer type of thing in the. But can we talk about a little bit more about humming?
Dr. Lotte [00:27:56] Yeah, yeah, go!
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:27:58] Okay, So I'm going to give you the protocols of conscious humming just because. Here we are. The first one is, you take a nice deep relaxed breath. I mean, you know, if you like and you know this, of course, a deep diaphragmatic breathing is a real key to everything on the planet, in terms of you know, health and balance. So we take a nice deep breath. But the second thing is to keep your lips closed. This may seem rudimentary, but a lot of people will go, "Ooooooh!", I said no that's not a hum, you have to keep your lips closed. And then as a fun thing, we'll do this together if it's okay with you.
Dr. Lotte [00:28:55] Yeah.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:28:55] I want, want you to be and we'll do this in just a second, the third thing is that you sound on one note. You don't do zip-a-dee-doo-dah, Beethoven's Fifth, or Tchaikovsky's Fifth, or whomever, or sing, you know, you hit one note and you hold it. And also you do it in a comfortable place of sound, not too loud and also within the comfortable level of your voice. A lot of people are looking for their their tone and usually their tone or their frequency, signature frequency is the conversational voice. And so we do that there, so we're going to do a couple more just because we're here. And I think it's important. But first, I want you to just do a hum "Mmmm" and then pinch your nose. Have you done this one?
Dr. Lotte [00:29:53] I have. It's very funny. Laughter.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:29:55] Okay!
Dr. Lotte [00:29:58] Right. So a hum. Okay. Dr. Lotte begins to hum. "Mmmmmmm" Her hum ends as she pinches her nose. Laughter.
Dr. Lotte [00:30:00] So it just goes away.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:30:07] You can't! and I'll do this too. Jonathan begins to hum. "Mmmmmm", his humming stops abruptly. Ya can't hum if your nose is pinched! And if you didn't know that perhaps or other things about the hum, and bottom line is that when you hum, the hum is the most powerful vibro acoustic sound that we can make simply because as you begin to open "mmmm-ooooohhh" and the sound begins to go outward as opposed to being totally self-contained within the sinus cavity, and you lose a lot of the sonic energy. So the most powerful vibro acoustic sound that we can make is the hum and just continue the protocols of conscious humming is, we usually suggest that you hum for about 4 to 5 times. And then you be in silence, for the same amount of time. And when that happens, that's really when you're in the silence, all of a sudden you really experience the, I get very blissed out and very, very, relaxed. Would you like to do that for a moment as a thing together?
Dr. Lotte [00:31:31] Sure!
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:31:31] Does that feel appropriate for this program?
Dr. Lotte [00:31:34] Oh, yeah, absolutely! Let's go for it!
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:31:36] Okay! So we'll do like four hums together and then we'll be in silence, and because this, of course a podcast we don't want people to be sitting there waiting. So we want everyone to hum along with us, in your own comfortable place, but try it, and it's really amazing! But the first thing you do, just anyone is listening now or forever. Check yourself out first because you really need to see what this is doing. So just take a moment. As you breathe in, see how you're feeling. And when we do this hum, because this is just the first introductory introduction to conscious humming. We want, you know, probably suggest people close their eyes when they do this. And do it in a comfortable place where there isn't a lot of distraction, if you can. And we're not even going to be, you know, putting any sort of intentionality on it, that's the next step. You got that in the coming effect and that you can do extraordinary things, but the first one, just to see where you feel the vibrations of the hum, because it's going to be different for most people, but most people have never consciously hummed because they're doing. "Mm-hmm". Which, you know, and this is going to be different. So we'll take a nice deep breath. And one more nice deep breath. On this next one will sound fourth with the first of four homes, okay? "Hmm." Again. "Mmm. Again. "Mmm." And one more. "Mmm." And now just being in silence. Checking yourself out again. What are your experiencing. And normally, if I do this, I'm in silence a lot more, but since this is a podcast and nobody needs to necessarily see us sitting there with their eyes closed or whatnot, but I got very blissed out and relaxed. How was that for you?
Dr. Lotte [00:35:09] Oh, yeah, very relaxed. I can see how the blood pressure's dropping 20 points, right? Because it just relaxes your body when you go into that state and you that, the humming.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:35:21] You know, today, today, today. I just realized, even though I talk about this about, that when I was humming, it, literally shut off, whatever, you know, they call it the "monkey mind." But that inner dialog that's always happening. It just shuts it off, because it's like you're humming and you feel the vibrations getting there. I saw, I couldn't feel it. Where did you feel the vibrations of the hum?
Dr. Lotte [00:35:45] I actually mostly felt it inside my skull.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:35:48] Yes, Yes!
Dr. Lotte [00:35:50] Cause the tone was higher. I noticed that when I'm listening to the book and I'm going doing the exercises along that if I hum a deeper tone, I feel it more in my chest or further down. It's almost like my body is a scale with the higher tones in my head and the lower tones go down. But I'm not sure if it's true! It's just what I'm discovering, reading or listening.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:36:10] That's 100% A true, but B, you haven't gotten to it yet, but we have a chapter called the Humming Hypothesis. Or maybe you have gotten to it, but it really talks about the fact that when I was engaged in this Ph.D. program, which I dropped out of because my first book, Healing Sounds, I came out and I had to go on tour and I never got back to it, but I was basically going to be researching what I called the uh, well, I don't remember what I called it actually, laughing, because it has gone through so many names. But basically it's the potential of the human voice to create neurogenesis, or new neural synaptic connections in the brain. And there now is a lot of indication that, for example, Alzheimer's, can be and memory loss, can be treated using a certain frequency level that's around 40 to 60 hertz. And you know that when you hum the if you like, sub harmonic of the voice is around 40 to 60 hertz and you can literally feel it there. So I'm suggesting that anybody who is a little concerned, who shall we say, wants to like shake up their, you know, mind and brain a little bit, do a little humming.
Dr. Lotte [00:37:35] Absolutely. I'm right there with you because I think it has way more healing effect than we think it does, because we are that the frequencies of the humming is the frequency. But we also work with laser, right? We have laser equipment, which is also frequencies. They're all so we know makes new neural pathways and heals, you know, conditions that the regular Western Medicine has given up on. So I think this whole frequencies, it's just that the new, new medicine that's coming and I mean, it's been in the works for so long already! Laughter. But, you know, I think they hit the mainstream. You know, if we could just imagine if we had these capabilities, you know, more readily available for for people that are sick, if if physicians were informed that this is this is a therapy that, you know, you might still do the pharmaceutical, but this is something else we can add, right? And and create a complete holistic package for healing.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:38:35] Beautiful. I mean, Alzheimer's is something that a lot of people, as they begin to age, are worried about. And what if this could be used as a, adjunct to other therapies. I am actually beginning just now to work with some doctors to see if they can do some research, because only through the research will people finally uh, if you like, believe that this is real. But meanwhile, until the research is out, I think we could all just try and experience some of the therapeutic benefits of the conscious hum.
Dr. Lotte [00:39:13] Absolutely. Do you think that, so this is all frequencies we know they rearrange the molecules and all that. How can we, can we use frequencies or sound or humming to heal the planet? I mean, our planet is in such turmoil right now. Is there anything that we could do? I mean, what if, you know, we had thousands of people humming for peace? What what are your thoughts on that?
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:39:39] I think there is actually a website humming for peace, but it's from Japan and I haven't been able to get in touch with them because they're in Japanese and they don't - laughing - that they don't seem to understand what I'm saying. But we have an event at least once a year called World Sound Healing Day that takes place on February 14th, Valentine's Day, where tens of thousands of people basically project sound coupled with the intention of love and compassion to what I call the Gaia matrix. And literally there is a if you like, a phenomena that has been research by Princeton University and with an organization called the Global Consciousness Project. Without getting too complex about what that is, it's able to measure events of high compassion, and they found events that occur, for example, through global meditation or global toning, such as World Sound Healing Day, literally are measurable and demonstrable and do make an effect. And in fact, I would invite anyone who's listening or watching whenever to go check out Sound Satsang with Jonathan Goldman. Because once a month my wife Andi and I do a live broadcast, it is also on the internet, we get thousands of people checking it out. And part of it we do about a ten minute guided either "Om", "Ah", or a "Hum" type of thing, and it works also, we're very big advocates of heart brain coherence, which I'm sure you are aware, it was generated through first the Heart Map Institute and simply it's very deep breathing is basically done with gratitude. And it's that simple. And there are some techniques and many people have their own techniques when you do that, our electromagnetic field gets generated anywhere from 50 to 500, some even speculate 5,000 times greater. And Dr. Lotte will tell you that the missing ingredient for them and it's simply a missing ingredient simply because they said to me, "Well, Jonathan, we know this is true. Do the research." I'm not a research guy, so I can just suggest that there is a reason why the different prayers on our planet are vocalized, a whisper chant it's spoken or sung. And that is because sound amplifies the power of our prayers, it helps focus it and this is why so when we get into, if you like, intentionalized breathing, heart brain coherence, and then just even "Mmmmmm", do that it really creates even a greater field. And what we want to do, is amplify our positive power for shift and change so that we can live in a harmonized planet. We say that World Sound Healing day, we are attempting to create global harmonization. Harmony on our planet. We need to do that. I'm going to just get one more thing in. One of the things that I have for the last few years really been adamant about is it so important for us to practice compassionate understanding. Which is basically to, you know, to listen to both sides of an argument and not make someone wrong because we are in such a state of division on this planet because of so many different things, and try to understand where the other person who you may not agree with is coming from. You may, you don't need to agree with them, but don't make them necessarily bad because that's not going to assist them even if you think what they're doing is heinous. You know, try to understand why do they feel this way? And sometimes you go, "Okay, well, I can understand that." I may not agree with that. And what can we do to shift so that we can basically come to a point of kindness, compassion with each other?
Dr. Lotte [00:44:13] Yes, that is what's needed. A lot more compassion in the world today.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:44:20] Yeah.
Dr. Lotte [00:44:20] Beautiful ending words to this amazing podcast. So what, how can people learn more about that? The monthly event that you have is that the sound - Sounds Satsang?
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:44:35] Well, if they go to my website, which is HealingSounds.com, and they join our mailing list, that's one of the events. They'll get information on all sorts of other things related to sound, compassion, healing our planet, including World Sound Healing Day, and Dr. Lotte let me just conclude with my statement. My wife Andi and I often say: "We heal the planet. We heal ourselves. We heal oursevels. We heal the planet. We have a choice and we can make a difference."
Dr. Lotte [00:45:15] Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. I say that myself for every person I can help heal because we are all connected, and so that frequency that we give off once we heal ourselves, changes other people that then resonate entrain with us. I don't know if it's truth to that, but that's how I see it. You're you're the frequency expert!
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:45:39] That that is such a truth. That is such a truth. And I mean, beings like ourselves, and I trust in anyone who's experiencing this at any time in space, because it's also my belief that time and space are merely, if you like, constructs of a less evolved mind, because everything is happening at the same time all over the place, and we are all connected and we are all one. Or as the Beatles said, "I am you is you, are you as you are me. And we are all together. And we are all together", huh?
Dr. Lotte [00:46:14] Yes, we definitely are. We're all connected!
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:46:18] Yeah.
Dr. Lotte [00:46:18] So everybody, we're going to put his website in the podcast notes and HealingSounds.com. And go also and check out all his books, I'm sure they're available on Amazon and on many different other platforms, and all his music that I've been listening to his music for over 20 years!
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:46:36] I haven't spoken about my music! I've got over 25 Award Winning Albums and they're on Spotify, Amazon, iTunes, you name it! They're all over the place. I'm so involved in right now trying to get people to just shift the vibratory field through their own voice. But through listening to my music and the music of so many other wonderful people, it's so powerful. So be and listen the last thing I want to say whoops! I gotta add this one, because we're talking about once again the fact that intent is powerful and everything is vibration. So in our conversational voice, folks, be aware that you can project your intentionality, and if you project compassion and kindness in your conversational voice, you can use a conversational voice as a healing instrument.
Dr. Lotte [00:47:33] Powerful. Right? Things that we don't usually think about. But absolutely true, because the frequency that's your frequency is your voice as well.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:47:44] Yes, it is.
Dr. Lotte [00:47:46] I've been an absolute treasure to have you as a guest today, Jonathan. And thank you so much for taking the time and sharing so much with the audience today.
Jonathan Goldman, M.A. [00:47:56] Dr. Lotte, thank you for this experience. We send blessings of light and love through sound to everyone.
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